It's always those who say they have the hardest time who actually end up doing the best ^^
Your hands are cool ;p
Your second model is cool, watch the consistency between the right and left leg. One is noticeably thinner than the other.
For the boy, it's pretty good too, his legs are a bit short and there are some anatomy errors on his torso (good job on the shoulder blade, but you made it go into the rib cage, whereas it slides over it ^^)
I approve :D
Hello Inisheer o/
Ce sont toujours ceux qui disent qu'ils ont le plus de mal qui s'en sortent en fait le mieux ^^
Pour le garçon, c'est pas mal aussi, il a les jambes un peu courtes et il y a des erreurs d'anatomie sur son buste (bien vu pour l'omoplate, mais tu l'as fait rentrer dans la cage thoracique, alors qu'elle glisse par dessus ^^)
So I have a little issue, I'm not questioning your courses at all, they're great!! And I'm having a blast.
But it's been over 15 days since I reviewed this course, and me being picky, I had the idea to take the course boards to compare, to check the proportions.
What bothers me is the story about the heads, you say that in this drawing it represents 8 times the head, having an iPad Pro I took the head and copied it 8 times, I placed them on top of each other and it doesn't match at all.
In reality, the character has 7 and a little bit.
The same goes for the length of the arms, etc.
I'm not here to criticize, just trying to really understand because I came here to learn all this.
Thank you for what you're doing.
There's no problem, your question is totally relevant ^^
Personally, and unlike Greg, I generally agree with you; I usually make characters with proportions of 7 and a half heads (when they are within standard limits), but it's a stylization.
It seems that the beauty standard indeed says 8 heads, but Greg's drawing isn't 8 heads long (why, I do not know hohoho), I guess he stylized it without even noticing (the power of habit ^^).
The head ratio can vary depending on the body type (a rather petite girl generally has a lower head ratio) and a very tall man might have a bit more (it can go up to 9 I believe). So 8 heads is indeed a good measure, but it's not set in stone, you can vary around this measurement, more or less, according to your own tastes ^^
But for me, a good average is indeed 7/8 heads. However, it's extremely rare that I count all the heads to make a complete character. Usually, I draw the torso following the given proportions (the second head = pectorals, the third = navel, the fourth = pubis). And then I adjust the legs according to what I like, it's less shocking to see legs a bit longer than the average rather than a torso longer than the average).
And if I want to check if I'm on track, I start from the ground. Normally, at 2 heads from the ground I have the knees, and about 2 heads above, I have the hips.
For the length of the arms, no matter what, the arm along the body with the hand stretched reaches between 1/2 and 3/4 of the thigh. The size of the hand is the same as the size of the face (not the head, just the face). The size of the forearm = the size of the foot, again these are the kind of measures you can easily check on yourself by observing ^^
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate at all ;p
Hello Amel'Ink o/
Il n'y a pas de soucis, ta question est tout Ă fait pertinente ^^
Thank you for the lesson, it helps to have big ideas about proportions in mind! It allows for creating cleaner silhouettes faster :)
I've put the canons on the first line, below I tried to vary the proportions by taking some features to the extreme and I tried to move the doodad with the remaining space.
Ton exercice est trÚs chouette ! Attention tu as tendance à placer tes genoux un poil trop bas parfois. A part ça c'est bien compris à ce que je vois :D
I just watched the videos on the characters, I only have the ones on muscles left to watch.
I did find some models on the internet, and my wife, being a great assistant, is willing to pose for me, but when I face a model, I don't know where to start.
Personally, as much as I can break down objects and scenes quite well, when it comes to humans, I'm completely stuck and it ends up looking like nothing.
I'm not even talking about starting from scratch to create a character in any position, it's a disaster...
Would anyone have any suggestions on how to find at least a starting point, I'm in despair...
Thanks in advance.
Personally, I always and invariably start with the head. As you saw in the course, the head serves as a reference measure for everything else thereafter. It's rare to see an artist start with another part ^^
Then, same principle as objects, break it down into simpler shapes if you're having trouble, think about the wooden mannequins you've probably seen before, or dolls.
If it can be useful to you, I have also written two articles on drawing a man and a woman from A to Z in the blog section of the site, using quite simple shapes, explaining the proportions and doing everything step by step :) It should help you, I think ^^
I think it's quite good. In terms of proportions, we're doing well. However, be careful, you tend to make large rib cages and quite thin legs (the thighs in particular, if I compare to your model, are more developed because they are muscular). Also, pay attention to the drawing of the limbs, particularly the arms of the first one, which seem curved. There are bones in there, don't be deceived by the lighting that can emphasize certain curves and "hide" the real shape of the body.
But it's really very good, with practice, you can only get better :)
Nice job on your first attempt! Everything in its own time, it's good to master the basics first, then it prevents getting discouraged by trying to do something too complicated ^^
At first glance, I thought the knees were too low, but you actually have an issue with a torso that's too short in both characters. By lengthening the torso, everything rebalances :) Then, you tend to make the hands a little small and the characters' heads lack a bit of skull. Normally, a man has a broader build than a woman, but youâve made them roughly the same, which results in slightly too wide shoulders for the woman (though it's minor, in reality some women do have a slightly broad build, but we usually compare to the "standard" model provided in course materials), and a slightly narrow build for the man. To illustrate my point, I've sketched over your drawings. You'll see, all these concepts will come naturally with a bit of practice. In any case, it's a good start with plenty of strengths in the drawing, these are just small adjustments :)
Hello Nayala,
Thank you for your correction and advice! I tried again following your message, below is the result.
I wonder if the heads are not still too small...
Thanks in advance! đ
It's much better :) Well done! There are still a few little things, but they are really just details. The heads are indeed slightly too small, but by a very small margin. The pecs and breasts are slightly too high, and the woman still has a slightly short torso (it's not noticeable at first glance since you compensated by raising the knees a bit, I compared it to the standard). It's good work and I approve, I think you can move on to the next step ^^
Good evening,
Here is my attempt. Unfortunately, there are some issues with proportions that I'm struggling with a bit (the arms and hands in particular at first glance).
There are indeed some issues, but you didnât make it easy for yourself by choosing to draw archery ^^ However, it will be instructive ;) You seem to have studied the position well, you must have taken a reference, and that's very good. Even professionals use references for poses they are not familiar with; it doesn't come by magic ;) What bothers me mainly is her arrow, which is not straight. It should divide the bow into two equal angles; otherwise, she might not fare too well, I think. It seems to me that it's the bow that changes position if you want to shoot at a different angle, but the arrow is always positioned the same way relative to the bow ^^ Maybe her arm is not quite bent enough to make it simpler.
Regarding proportions, I think the torso is a bit long and the legs are much too small, which makes the arms appear very long. They still seem a bit long even with elongated legs, accentuated by slightly small hands. She also needs a bit more torso width. We're not yet at the face lesson but it's a bit too far back compared to the neck. I made a sketch to show you all this; one with details over your drawing that donât cover too much so it's clear, and another sketch that I made completely, reconstructed to show you what it would look like with all the modifications (with more body width, changed arm position...), all compared with the dimensions of the proportion model provided in the course support. I hope this will be clear to you ^^ In any case, you have a good base work, with a few adjustments it could be very good :)
Indeed, it wasn't the easiest but it inspired me, I do it myself which gave me a pretty good idea of the general position but the arms were a bit complicated (hard to see oneself ^^) so I looked up a reference indeed. Very useful but not for my arrow as you noticed.
Thank you very much for these corrections and the sketch, it gives me a better idea of the whole (much more coherent ^-^). I will pay attention to all this so that it is more realistic next time, but I am happy if I am already getting a bit closer.
Great to follow your inspiration, it helps to keep the motivation :) Keep the habit of seeking references, it's a good thing to understand how things work.
Glad my correction helped you :) Yes, it's a good start, and as I've heard and keep as a motto "done is better than perfect". Rather than putting too much pressure on yourself from the start and getting frustrated struggling on a drawing, it's good to move on to another drawing to try to improve with each new attempt. If it's not quite as we want from the start, it will be better next time. You seem to be taking the right approach ;)
That's pretty good, you're almost there :) For the woman, the main problem is that her arms are too short. You didn't make her body very wide, which is okay, she might have that body type. I scribbled something over your drawing; I made the arms slightly shorter than the model's because since yours isnât wide, it would look like she had overly long arms if I did the same. Anyway, they definitely needed to be longer ^^
For the man, you might notice from the line I drew in the middle that he's leaning to the side. Before you start a drawing, you can make such marks to avoid tilting your drawing or going in the wrong direction. His head is a bit small, and his shoulders and chest are a bit too broad. But it's good ;) For the child, you should know that the upper body needs to be much less broad than a manâs, as pecs and shoulders develop during puberty, so you need to make it a bit narrower. There, Iâve made some annotations and marks on your drawings, don't hesitate if you have any questions :)
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It's always those who say they have the hardest time who actually end up doing the best ^^
Your hands are cool ;p
Your second model is cool, watch the consistency between the right and left leg. One is noticeably thinner than the other.
For the boy, it's pretty good too, his legs are a bit short and there are some anatomy errors on his torso (good job on the shoulder blade, but you made it go into the rib cage, whereas it slides over it ^^)
I approve :D
Ce sont toujours ceux qui disent qu'ils ont le plus de mal qui s'en sortent en fait le mieux ^^
Tes mains sont chouettes ;p
Ton second modĂšle est cool, attention Ă la rĂ©gularitĂ© entre jambe droite et gauche. L'une est quand mĂȘme nettement plus fine que l'autre.
Pour le garçon, c'est pas mal aussi, il a les jambes un peu courtes et il y a des erreurs d'anatomie sur son buste (bien vu pour l'omoplate, mais tu l'as fait rentrer dans la cage thoracique, alors qu'elle glisse par dessus ^^)
Je valide :D
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13/08/2020
So I have a little issue, I'm not questioning your courses at all, they're great!! And I'm having a blast.
But it's been over 15 days since I reviewed this course, and me being picky, I had the idea to take the course boards to compare, to check the proportions.
What bothers me is the story about the heads, you say that in this drawing it represents 8 times the head, having an iPad Pro I took the head and copied it 8 times, I placed them on top of each other and it doesn't match at all.
In reality, the character has 7 and a little bit.
The same goes for the length of the arms, etc.
I'm not here to criticize, just trying to really understand because I came here to learn all this.
Thank you for what you're doing.
Alors j'ai un petit soucis, je ne remets rien en cause de vos cours , ils sont top !! Et je m'Ă©clate.
Mais ça fait deja plus de 15 jours que j'ai regardé ce cours, et moi chiante que je suis j'ai eu l'idée de prendre les planches de cours pour comparé, vérifier les proportions.
Ce qui me chagrine c'est l'histoire des tĂȘtes, vous dites que sur ce dessin ça reprĂ©sente 8fois la tĂȘte , ayant un ipad pro j'ai repris la tĂȘte et je l'ai copiĂ© 8fois , je les poses les unes sur les autres et ça ne tombe pas du tout pareil .
Le personnage en a en réalité 7 et un petit peu.
Idem par rapport Ă la longueur des bras etc ..
Je ne suis pas la pour critiquer, juste j'essaye de vraiment comprendre car je suis venu ici pour justement apprendre tout ça.
Merci pour ce que vous faites
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There's no problem, your question is totally relevant ^^
Personally, and unlike Greg, I generally agree with you; I usually make characters with proportions of 7 and a half heads (when they are within standard limits), but it's a stylization.
It seems that the beauty standard indeed says 8 heads, but Greg's drawing isn't 8 heads long (why, I do not know hohoho), I guess he stylized it without even noticing (the power of habit ^^).
The head ratio can vary depending on the body type (a rather petite girl generally has a lower head ratio) and a very tall man might have a bit more (it can go up to 9 I believe). So 8 heads is indeed a good measure, but it's not set in stone, you can vary around this measurement, more or less, according to your own tastes ^^
But for me, a good average is indeed 7/8 heads. However, it's extremely rare that I count all the heads to make a complete character. Usually, I draw the torso following the given proportions (the second head = pectorals, the third = navel, the fourth = pubis). And then I adjust the legs according to what I like, it's less shocking to see legs a bit longer than the average rather than a torso longer than the average).
And if I want to check if I'm on track, I start from the ground. Normally, at 2 heads from the ground I have the knees, and about 2 heads above, I have the hips.
For the length of the arms, no matter what, the arm along the body with the hand stretched reaches between 1/2 and 3/4 of the thigh. The size of the hand is the same as the size of the face (not the head, just the face). The size of the forearm = the size of the foot, again these are the kind of measures you can easily check on yourself by observing ^^
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate at all ;p
Il n'y a pas de soucis, ta question est tout Ă fait pertinente ^^
Perso, et contrairement Ă Greg, je suis plutĂŽt de ton avis, en gĂ©nĂ©ral je fais des personnages qui ont des proportions de 7 tĂȘtes et demie en gĂ©nĂ©ral (quand ils sont dans les standards), mais c'est une stylisation.
Il me semble que le canon de beautĂ© dit effectivement 8 tĂȘtes, mais que le dessin de Greg n'en fait pas 8 (pourquoi je ne sais pas hohoho), j'imagine qu'il l'a stylisĂ© sans mĂȘme faire attention (la force de l'habitude ^^).
Le rapport de tĂȘte peut varier selon la morphologie (une fille assez petite aura un rapport de tĂȘte plus bas en gĂ©nĂ©ral) et une homme trĂšs grand en aura un peu plus (ça peut monter jusqu'Ă 9 je crois). Donc 8 tĂȘtes, c'est bien une bonne mesure, mais elle n'est pas gravĂ©e dans le marbre, tu peux varier autour de cette mesure, plus ou moins, selon tes propres goĂ»ts ^^
Mais pour moi une bonne valeur c'est effectivement 7/8 tĂȘte en moyenne. Cela dit, il est extrĂȘmement rare que je compte toutes les tĂȘtes pour faire un personnages complet. En gĂ©nĂ©ral je dessine le buste suivant les proportions donnĂ©es (la deuxiĂšme tĂȘte = pectoraux, la 3eme = nombril, la 4eme = pubis). Et ensuite j'ajuste les jambes selon ce qui me plait, c'est moins choquant de voir des jambes un peu plus longue que la moyenne plutĂŽt qu'un buste plus long que la moyenne).
Et si je veux vĂ©rifier si je suis dans les clous, je repars du sol. Normalement Ă 2 tĂȘtes du sol j'ai les genoux et environ 2 tĂȘtes au-dessus, j'ai les hanches.
Pour la longueur des bras, quoi qu'il arrive, le bras le long du corps main tendue arrive entre 1/2 et 3/4 de la cuisse. La taille de la main est la mĂȘme que la taille du visage (pas la tĂȘte, le visage uniquement). La taille de l'avant-bras = celle du pied, pareil c'est le genre de mesure que tu peux facilement vĂ©rifier chez toi en t'observant ^^
Si tu as d'autres questions n'hésite pas surtout ;p
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Thank you for the lesson, it helps to have big ideas about proportions in mind! It allows for creating cleaner silhouettes faster :)
I've put the canons on the first line, below I tried to vary the proportions by taking some features to the extreme and I tried to move the doodad with the remaining space.
VoilĂ voilĂ
Merci pour le cours, ça aide d'avoir de grandes idĂ©es de proportions en tĂȘte ! Ăa permet de faire des silhouettes plus propres plus vite :)
J'ai mis les canons sur la premiĂšre ligne, en dessous j'ai essayĂ© de varier les proportions en faisant varier certains traits Ă lâextrĂȘme et j'ai essayĂ© de faire bouger le bignou avec la place restante.
Voili voilou
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Your exercise is really neat! Watch out, you tend to place your knees a tad too low sometimes. Other than that, it looks like you've got it :D
Ton exercice est trÚs chouette ! Attention tu as tendance à placer tes genoux un poil trop bas parfois. A part ça c'est bien compris à ce que je vois :D
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I'll try to be more careful with the knees in the future!
Thanks for your correction :)
See you soon on the muscle thread, I've been struggling with attempts at flayed figures these past few days ^^
Je vais essayer de faire plus gaffe aux genoux Ă l'avenir !
Merci de ta correction :)
à bientÎt sur le thread dédié aux muscles, je suis en pleine galÚre des tentatives d'écorchés ces derniers jours ^^
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I just watched the videos on the characters, I only have the ones on muscles left to watch.
I did find some models on the internet, and my wife, being a great assistant, is willing to pose for me, but when I face a model, I don't know where to start.
Personally, as much as I can break down objects and scenes quite well, when it comes to humans, I'm completely stuck and it ends up looking like nothing.
I'm not even talking about starting from scratch to create a character in any position, it's a disaster...
Would anyone have any suggestions on how to find at least a starting point, I'm in despair...
Thanks in advance.
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Je viens de voir les vidéos sur les personnages, il ne me reste que celles des muscles à regarder.
J'ai bien trouver des modĂšles sur le net, et ma femme en formidable assistante veut bien poser pour moi, mais lorsque je me retrouve devant un modĂšle, je ne sais par oĂč commencer.
Personnellement, autant les objet, les dĂ©cors, je les dĂ©compose assez bien, autant les ĂȘtre humain, je sĂšche complet et du coup ça ressemble Ă rien.
Je ne parle mĂȘme pas de partir de 0 pour faire un personnage dans une position quelconque, c'est un massacre...
Quelqu'un aurait il une piste pour que je trouve au moins le départ, je suis en PLS...
Merci d'avance.
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Personally, I always and invariably start with the head. As you saw in the course, the head serves as a reference measure for everything else thereafter. It's rare to see an artist start with another part ^^
Then, same principle as objects, break it down into simpler shapes if you're having trouble, think about the wooden mannequins you've probably seen before, or dolls.
If it can be useful to you, I have also written two articles on drawing a man and a woman from A to Z in the blog section of the site, using quite simple shapes, explaining the proportions and doing everything step by step :) It should help you, I think ^^
Personnellement je commence toujours et invariablement par la tĂȘte. Car comme tu l'as vu dans le cours, la tĂȘte sert de mesure de rĂ©fĂ©rence pour tout le reste ensuite. C'est rare de voir un artiste commencer par un autre bout ^^
Ensuite, mĂȘme principe que les objets, dĂ©compose en formes plus simples si tu as du mal, pense aux mannequins en bois que tu as sans doute dĂ©jĂ vu, ou Ă des poupĂ©es.
Si ça peut t'ĂȘtre utile, j'ai Ă©galement fait deux articles pour dessiner de A Ă Z un homme et une femme dans la partie blog du site, en utilisant justement des formes assez simples, en expliquant les proportions et en faisant tout Ă©tape par Ă©tape :) Ăa devrait t'aider je pense ^^
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I'm also following your short Manga as soon as I manage the characters^^
I'm going to do that thank you
Je suis aussi ton court Manga des que je gĂšre les personnages^^
Je vais faire ça merci
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a few attempts at drawing. I've chosen Mr. Usain Bolt, the 100m record holder. I hope he won't be too upset...
some errors in asymmetry or width proportion...
Kisses.
quelques essai de dessins. j'ai jeté mon dévolu sur M. Usain Bolt recordman du 100m. j'espÚre qu'il ne m'en voudra pas trop...
quelques erreurs d'asymétrie ou de proportion en largeur...
Bises.
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I think it's quite good. In terms of proportions, we're doing well. However, be careful, you tend to make large rib cages and quite thin legs (the thighs in particular, if I compare to your model, are more developed because they are muscular). Also, pay attention to the drawing of the limbs, particularly the arms of the first one, which seem curved. There are bones in there, don't be deceived by the lighting that can emphasize certain curves and "hide" the real shape of the body.
But it's really very good, with practice, you can only get better :)
Je trouve ça pas mal du tout. En terme de proportions on est pas mal. Attention, tu as tendance à faire des grosses cages thoraciques et des jambes assez fines (les cuisses en particulier, si je compare à ton modÚle sont plus développées car musclées). Attention aussi au dessin des membres, je pense surtout aux bras du premier qui ont l'air courbes. Il y a des os là -dedans, ne te fais pas avoir par l'éclairage qui peut appuyer certaines courbes et "masquer" la forme réelle du corps.
Mais c'est vraiment trĂšs bien, avec de la pratique, tu ne pourras que devenir encore meilleur :)
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Here's my first attempt. I didn't feel like doing more elaborate poses ^^'
Thanks in advance for the critique.
Voici mon premier essai. Je ne me sentais pas de faire des poses plus recherchées ^^'
Merci d'avance pour la critique.
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Nice job on your first attempt! Everything in its own time, it's good to master the basics first, then it prevents getting discouraged by trying to do something too complicated ^^
At first glance, I thought the knees were too low, but you actually have an issue with a torso that's too short in both characters. By lengthening the torso, everything rebalances :) Then, you tend to make the hands a little small and the characters' heads lack a bit of skull. Normally, a man has a broader build than a woman, but youâve made them roughly the same, which results in slightly too wide shoulders for the woman (though it's minor, in reality some women do have a slightly broad build, but we usually compare to the "standard" model provided in course materials), and a slightly narrow build for the man. To illustrate my point, I've sketched over your drawings. You'll see, all these concepts will come naturally with a bit of practice. In any case, it's a good start with plenty of strengths in the drawing, these are just small adjustments :)
Bien chouette comme premier essai ! Chaque chose en son temps, c'est bien de maßtriser d'abord les bases, puis ça évite de se décourager à vouloir faire trop compliqué ^^
Au premier abord j'ai cru que les genoux Ă©taient trop bas, mais tu as plutĂŽt un souci de buste trop court, sur tes 2 personnages. En rallongeant le buste tout se rĂ©Ă©quilibre :) Ensuite tu as tendance Ă faire les mains un peu petites et la tĂȘte des personnages manquent un petit peu de boĂźte crĂąnienne. Un homme a normalement une carrure plus large que la femme, mais tu leur a fait un peu la mĂȘme, ce qui donne des Ă©paules un peu trop larges pour la femme (mais c'est lĂ©ger, en vrai certaines femmes ont une carrure un peu large, mais on prend par rapport au modĂšle "classique" fourni en support de cours), une carrure un peu petite pour l'homme. Pour illustrer mes propos, je t'ai fait un croquis par dessus tes dessins. Tu verras, toutes ces notions viendront toutes seules avec un peu d'entraĂźnement. En tous cas c'est un bon dĂ©but avec plein de qualitĂ©s dans le dessin, ce ne sont que de petits ajustements :)
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Thank you for your correction and advice! I tried again following your message, below is the result.
I wonder if the heads are not still too small...
Thanks in advance! đ
Merci pour ta correction et pour tes conseils ! J'ai retenté le coup suite à ton message, ci-dessous le résultat.
Je me demande si les tĂȘtes ne sont pas encore trop petites...
Merci d'avance ! đ
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It's much better :) Well done! There are still a few little things, but they are really just details. The heads are indeed slightly too small, but by a very small margin. The pecs and breasts are slightly too high, and the woman still has a slightly short torso (it's not noticeable at first glance since you compensated by raising the knees a bit, I compared it to the standard). It's good work and I approve, I think you can move on to the next step ^^
C'est beaucoup mieux :) Bravo ! Il reste encore des petits trucs, mais ce sont vraiment des dĂ©tails. Les tĂȘtes sont effectivement lĂ©gĂšrement trop petites, mais de vraiment pas grand chose. Les pectoraux et seins sont lĂ©gĂšrement trop hauts, et la femme a toujours un buste un poil court (ça ne se voit pas au premier coup d'oeil vu que tu as compensĂ© en montant un peu les genoux, j'ai comparĂ© au canon). C'est du bon travail et je valide, je pense que tu peux passer Ă la suite ^^
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Here is my attempt. Unfortunately, there are some issues with proportions that I'm struggling with a bit (the arms and hands in particular at first glance).
Voici mon essai. Malheureusement il y a quelques problÚmes de proportions qui me résistent un peu (les bras et mains en particulier à premiÚre vue
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There are indeed some issues, but you didnât make it easy for yourself by choosing to draw archery ^^ However, it will be instructive ;) You seem to have studied the position well, you must have taken a reference, and that's very good. Even professionals use references for poses they are not familiar with; it doesn't come by magic ;) What bothers me mainly is her arrow, which is not straight. It should divide the bow into two equal angles; otherwise, she might not fare too well, I think. It seems to me that it's the bow that changes position if you want to shoot at a different angle, but the arrow is always positioned the same way relative to the bow ^^ Maybe her arm is not quite bent enough to make it simpler.
Regarding proportions, I think the torso is a bit long and the legs are much too small, which makes the arms appear very long. They still seem a bit long even with elongated legs, accentuated by slightly small hands. She also needs a bit more torso width. We're not yet at the face lesson but it's a bit too far back compared to the neck. I made a sketch to show you all this; one with details over your drawing that donât cover too much so it's clear, and another sketch that I made completely, reconstructed to show you what it would look like with all the modifications (with more body width, changed arm position...), all compared with the dimensions of the proportion model provided in the course support. I hope this will be clear to you ^^ In any case, you have a good base work, with a few adjustments it could be very good :)
Il y a effectivement quelques soucis, mais tu ne t'es pas facilitĂ© a vie en choisissant de dessiner du tir Ă l'arc ^^ Mais ça sera instructif ;) Tu sembles avoir bien Ă©tudiĂ© la position, tu as sĂ»rement pris une rĂ©fĂ©rence, et c'est trĂšs bien, mĂȘme les professionnels prennent des rĂ©fĂ©rences pour les poses avec lesquelles ils ne sont pas familiers, ça ne vient pas par magie ;) Ce qui me dĂ©range c'est surtout sa flĂšche qui n'est pas droite, elle devrait sĂ©parer l'arc en 2 angles Ă©gaux, elle ne va pas trĂšs bien s'en sortir je pense sinon. Il me semble que c'est l'arc qui change de position si on veut tirer dans un autre angle, mais que la flĂšche reste toujours positionnĂ©e pareil par rapport Ă l'arc ^^ Peut ĂȘtre que son bras n'est pas tout Ă fait assez pliĂ© pour que ce soit plus simple.
Pour les proportions, je pense que le buste est un peu long et les jambes beaucoup trop petites, du coup forcĂ©ment, les bras paraissent trĂšs longs, ils le sont d'ailleurs toujours un peu mĂȘme avec les jambes rallongĂ©es, accentuĂ©s par des mains un peu petites. Elle a aussi besoin d'un peu plus de largeur de buste. On n'en est pas encore Ă la leçon du visage mais il est un peu trop en arriĂšre par rapport au cou. J'ai fait un croquis pour te montrer tout ça, un avec des dĂ©tails par dessus ton dessin qui ne le cachent pas trop pour que ce soit comprĂ©hensible, et un autre croquis que j'ai fait complĂštement qui est reconstruit pour te montrer ce que ça donnerait avec toutes les modifications (avec plus de largeur de corps, position de bras changĂ©e...), le tout comparĂ© avec les dimensions du modĂšle de proportions fourni en support de cours. J'espĂšre que tu comprendras bien comme ça ^^ En tous cas tu as un bon travail de base, avec des petits ajustements ça pourra ĂȘtre trĂšs bien :)
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20/09/2020
Indeed, it wasn't the easiest but it inspired me, I do it myself which gave me a pretty good idea of the general position but the arms were a bit complicated (hard to see oneself ^^) so I looked up a reference indeed. Very useful but not for my arrow as you noticed.
Thank you very much for these corrections and the sketch, it gives me a better idea of the whole (much more coherent ^-^). I will pay attention to all this so that it is more realistic next time, but I am happy if I am already getting a bit closer.
Have a nice day
En effet ce nâĂ©tait pas le plus simple mais ca mâinspirait, jâen fais moi-mĂȘme ce qui me donnait une assez bonne idĂ©e de la position gĂ©nĂ©rale mais pour les bras ça câest compliquĂ© (difficile de se voir soi-mĂȘme ^^) donc jâai cherchĂ© une rĂ©fĂ©rence en effet. Bien utile mais pas pour ma flĂšche comme vous lâavez remarquĂ©.
Merci beaucoup pour ces corrections et le croquis, ca me donne une meilleure idĂ©e du tout ainsi (beaucoup plus cohĂ©rente ^-^). Je vais faire attention Ă tout ça pour que ce soit plus rĂ©aliste les prochaines fois, mais je suis contente si je mâen rapproche dĂ©jĂ un peu.
Bonne journée
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21/09/2020
Great to follow your inspiration, it helps to keep the motivation :) Keep the habit of seeking references, it's a good thing to understand how things work.
Glad my correction helped you :) Yes, it's a good start, and as I've heard and keep as a motto "done is better than perfect". Rather than putting too much pressure on yourself from the start and getting frustrated struggling on a drawing, it's good to move on to another drawing to try to improve with each new attempt. If it's not quite as we want from the start, it will be better next time. You seem to be taking the right approach ;)
TrÚs bien de suivre ton inspiration, ça permet de garder la motivation :) Garde cette habitude d'aller chercher des références, c'est une bonne chose pour comprendre comment les choses fonctionnent?
Contente que ma correction t'ai aidée :) Oui c'est un bon début, et comme j'ai pu entendre dire et je garde comme devise "fini est mieux que parfait". PlutÎt que de se mettre trop de pression dÚs le départ et se frustrer à lutter sur un dessin c'est bien de passer à un autre dessin pour tenter de progresser à chaque nouvelle tentative. Si c'est pas tout à fait comme on veut dÚs le départ, ça sera mieux la prochaine fois. Tu sembles donc dans la bonne approche ;)
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That's pretty good, you're almost there :) For the woman, the main problem is that her arms are too short. You didn't make her body very wide, which is okay, she might have that body type. I scribbled something over your drawing; I made the arms slightly shorter than the model's because since yours isnât wide, it would look like she had overly long arms if I did the same. Anyway, they definitely needed to be longer ^^
For the man, you might notice from the line I drew in the middle that he's leaning to the side. Before you start a drawing, you can make such marks to avoid tilting your drawing or going in the wrong direction. His head is a bit small, and his shoulders and chest are a bit too broad. But it's good ;) For the child, you should know that the upper body needs to be much less broad than a manâs, as pecs and shoulders develop during puberty, so you need to make it a bit narrower. There, Iâve made some annotations and marks on your drawings, don't hesitate if you have any questions :)
C'est pas mal tout ça, tu n'es pas loin :) Pour la femme le principal problĂšme sont les bras trop courts. Tu n'as pas fait son corps trĂšs large, on se dit pourquoi pas, elle peut avoir cette morphologie. Je t'ai gribouillĂ© un truc par dessus ton dessin, j'ai fait les bras un poil plus courts que le modĂšle car vu que la tienne n'est pas large ça lui faisait un effet de bras trop longs si je faisais pareil. En tous cas il fallait quand mĂȘme les rallonger ^^
Pour l'homme, tu peux remarquer avec la ligne que je t'ai faite en centre qu'il penche sur le cĂŽtĂ©, avant de commencer un dessin tu peux te faire des repĂšres comme ça pour Ă©viter de faire pencher ton dessin ou qu'il aille dans la mauvaise direction. La tĂȘte est un peu petite, et il est un peu trop large des Ă©paules et pectoraux. Mais c'est bien ;) Pour l'enfant, il faut savoir que le haut du corps doit ĂȘtre beaucoup moins large que pour un homme, les pecs et les Ă©paules ça se dĂ©veloppe Ă la pubertĂ©, donc il faut penser Ă faire un peu moins large. VoilĂ , je t'ai fait des annotations et repĂšres sur les dessins, n'hĂ©sites pas si tu as des questions :)
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