It's always those who say they have the hardest time who actually end up doing the best ^^
Your hands are cool ;p
Your second model is cool, watch the consistency between the right and left leg. One is noticeably thinner than the other.
For the boy, it's pretty good too, his legs are a bit short and there are some anatomy errors on his torso (good job on the shoulder blade, but you made it go into the rib cage, whereas it slides over it ^^)
I approve :D
Hello Inisheer o/
Ce sont toujours ceux qui disent qu'ils ont le plus de mal qui s'en sortent en fait le mieux ^^
Pour le garçon, c'est pas mal aussi, il a les jambes un peu courtes et il y a des erreurs d'anatomie sur son buste (bien vu pour l'omoplate, mais tu l'as fait rentrer dans la cage thoracique, alors qu'elle glisse par dessus ^^)
So I have a little issue, I'm not questioning your courses at all, they're great!! And I'm having a blast.
But it's been over 15 days since I reviewed this course, and me being picky, I had the idea to take the course boards to compare, to check the proportions.
What bothers me is the story about the heads, you say that in this drawing it represents 8 times the head, having an iPad Pro I took the head and copied it 8 times, I placed them on top of each other and it doesn't match at all.
In reality, the character has 7 and a little bit.
The same goes for the length of the arms, etc.
I'm not here to criticize, just trying to really understand because I came here to learn all this.
Thank you for what you're doing.
There's no problem, your question is totally relevant ^^
Personally, and unlike Greg, I generally agree with you; I usually make characters with proportions of 7 and a half heads (when they are within standard limits), but it's a stylization.
It seems that the beauty standard indeed says 8 heads, but Greg's drawing isn't 8 heads long (why, I do not know hohoho), I guess he stylized it without even noticing (the power of habit ^^).
The head ratio can vary depending on the body type (a rather petite girl generally has a lower head ratio) and a very tall man might have a bit more (it can go up to 9 I believe). So 8 heads is indeed a good measure, but it's not set in stone, you can vary around this measurement, more or less, according to your own tastes ^^
But for me, a good average is indeed 7/8 heads. However, it's extremely rare that I count all the heads to make a complete character. Usually, I draw the torso following the given proportions (the second head = pectorals, the third = navel, the fourth = pubis). And then I adjust the legs according to what I like, it's less shocking to see legs a bit longer than the average rather than a torso longer than the average).
And if I want to check if I'm on track, I start from the ground. Normally, at 2 heads from the ground I have the knees, and about 2 heads above, I have the hips.
For the length of the arms, no matter what, the arm along the body with the hand stretched reaches between 1/2 and 3/4 of the thigh. The size of the hand is the same as the size of the face (not the head, just the face). The size of the forearm = the size of the foot, again these are the kind of measures you can easily check on yourself by observing ^^
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate at all ;p
Hello Amel'Ink o/
Il n'y a pas de soucis, ta question est tout Ă fait pertinente ^^
Thank you for the lesson, it helps to have big ideas about proportions in mind! It allows for creating cleaner silhouettes faster :)
I've put the canons on the first line, below I tried to vary the proportions by taking some features to the extreme and I tried to move the doodad with the remaining space.
Ton exercice est trÚs chouette ! Attention tu as tendance à placer tes genoux un poil trop bas parfois. A part ça c'est bien compris à ce que je vois :D
I just watched the videos on the characters, I only have the ones on muscles left to watch.
I did find some models on the internet, and my wife, being a great assistant, is willing to pose for me, but when I face a model, I don't know where to start.
Personally, as much as I can break down objects and scenes quite well, when it comes to humans, I'm completely stuck and it ends up looking like nothing.
I'm not even talking about starting from scratch to create a character in any position, it's a disaster...
Would anyone have any suggestions on how to find at least a starting point, I'm in despair...
Thanks in advance.
Personally, I always and invariably start with the head. As you saw in the course, the head serves as a reference measure for everything else thereafter. It's rare to see an artist start with another part ^^
Then, same principle as objects, break it down into simpler shapes if you're having trouble, think about the wooden mannequins you've probably seen before, or dolls.
If it can be useful to you, I have also written two articles on drawing a man and a woman from A to Z in the blog section of the site, using quite simple shapes, explaining the proportions and doing everything step by step :) It should help you, I think ^^
I think it's quite good. In terms of proportions, we're doing well. However, be careful, you tend to make large rib cages and quite thin legs (the thighs in particular, if I compare to your model, are more developed because they are muscular). Also, pay attention to the drawing of the limbs, particularly the arms of the first one, which seem curved. There are bones in there, don't be deceived by the lighting that can emphasize certain curves and "hide" the real shape of the body.
But it's really very good, with practice, you can only get better :)
Thatâs a great first attempt! Itâs good to master the basics first, one step at a time, to avoid getting discouraged when trying to do something too complicated.
At first glance, I thought the knees were too low, but you actually have a problem with the torso being too short in both of your characters. By lengthening the torso, everything will be rebalanced. Also, you tend to make the hands a bit small, and the heads of the characters lack a bit of cranial volume. A man normally has a broader build than a woman, but youâve given them a similar build, which results in the woman having shoulders that are a bit too broad (but itâs slight, in reality some women have a somewhat broad build, but weâre comparing it to the âclassicâ model provided as teaching material), and the man having a build thatâs a bit too small. To illustrate my points, Iâve made a sketch over your drawings. Youâll see that all of these concepts will come naturally with a little practice. In any case, itâs a good start with many good qualities in the drawing; these are just minor adjustments.
Thank you for your feedback and advice! I tried again after receiving your message. The result is below.
Iâm wondering if the heads still arenât too smallâŠ
Thank you in advance! đ
This is much better :) Well done! There are still a few small things to fix, but they are really just minor details. The heads are indeed slightly too small, but only by a very small amount. The pectoral muscles and breasts are slightly too high, and the woman still has a slightly short torso (you canât really tell at first glance because youâve compensated by raising her knees a bit; I compared it to the reference). Itâs good work, and I approve. I think you can move on to the next step now ^^
Good evening,
Here is my attempt. Unfortunately, there are a few proportion issues that Iâm struggling with (especially the arms and hands, at first glance).
There are indeed a few issues, but you didnât make your life easy by choosing to draw archery! But it will be educational ;) You seem to have studied the position well; you must have used a reference, and thatâs great. Even professionals use references for poses they arenât familiar with; it doesnât just come naturally ;) What bothers me most is the arrow, which isnât straight. It should divide the bow into two equal angles; otherwise, it wonât look very good, I think. It seems that itâs the bow that changes position if you want to shoot at a different angle, but the arrow always remains in the same position relative to the bow. Perhaps her arm isnât bent quite enough to make it easier.
Regarding the proportions, I think the torso is a bit too long and the legs are much too short. As a result, the arms seem very long; they are, in fact, still a little long even with the legs lengthened, which is accentuated by the slightly small hands. She also needs a bit more width in the torso. Weâre not quite at the lesson on the face yet, but itâs a little too far back compared to the neck. Iâve made a sketch to show you all of this, one with details overlaid on your drawing that donât completely obscure it so itâs understandable, and another sketch that Iâve done completely, which is reconstructed to show you what it would look like with all the modifications (with more body width, changed arm position, etc.), all compared with the dimensions of the proportion model provided as course material. I hope youâll understand it all this way. In any case, you have a good basic foundation, and with a few adjustments, it can be very good :)
Indeed, it wasnât the easiest thing to do, but it inspired me. I did it myself, which gave me a pretty good idea of the overall pose, but the arms were complicated (itâs hard to see yourself ^^), so I did look for a reference. It was very helpful, but not quite right for my drawing, as you noticed.
Thank you very much for these corrections and the sketch; it gives me a better idea of the whole thing (much more consistent ^-^). I will pay attention to all of this so that it will be more realistic next time, but I am happy if I am already getting a little closer.
Itâs great that youâre following your inspiration; it helps you stay motivated :) Keep up this habit of looking for references; itâs a good way to understand how things work.
Iâm glad that my feedback helped you :) Yes, itâs a good start, and as Iâve often heard and keep as a motto, âfinished is better than perfect.â Instead of putting too much pressure on yourself from the start and getting frustrated trying to perfect a drawing, itâs good to move on to another drawing to try and improve with each new attempt. If itâs not exactly as you want it from the start, it will be better next time. It seems like youâre on the right track ;)
This is pretty good, youâre not far off! For the woman, the main problem is that her arms are too short. You didnât make her body very wide, but thatâs okay, she can have that body type. Iâve sketched something on top of your drawing; I made the arms a little shorter than the model because, since yours isnât wide, making them the same length would give her the impression of having arms that are too long. In any case, they still needed to be lengthened a bit. ^^
For the man, you can see with the line I drew in the center that heâs leaning to one side. Before you start a drawing, you can create some reference points like this to avoid making your drawing lean or go in the wrong direction. The head is a bit small, and heâs a little too wide in the shoulders and chest. But thatâs good! For the child, you need to know that the upper body should be much less wide than for a man; the chest and shoulders develop during puberty, so you need to make it a little less wide. There, Iâve added some notes and reference points to the drawings. Donât hesitate if you have any questions!
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It's always those who say they have the hardest time who actually end up doing the best ^^
Your hands are cool ;p
Your second model is cool, watch the consistency between the right and left leg. One is noticeably thinner than the other.
For the boy, it's pretty good too, his legs are a bit short and there are some anatomy errors on his torso (good job on the shoulder blade, but you made it go into the rib cage, whereas it slides over it ^^)
I approve :D
Ce sont toujours ceux qui disent qu'ils ont le plus de mal qui s'en sortent en fait le mieux ^^
Tes mains sont chouettes ;p
Ton second modĂšle est cool, attention Ă la rĂ©gularitĂ© entre jambe droite et gauche. L'une est quand mĂȘme nettement plus fine que l'autre.
Pour le garçon, c'est pas mal aussi, il a les jambes un peu courtes et il y a des erreurs d'anatomie sur son buste (bien vu pour l'omoplate, mais tu l'as fait rentrer dans la cage thoracique, alors qu'elle glisse par dessus ^^)
Je valide :D
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13/08/2020
So I have a little issue, I'm not questioning your courses at all, they're great!! And I'm having a blast.
But it's been over 15 days since I reviewed this course, and me being picky, I had the idea to take the course boards to compare, to check the proportions.
What bothers me is the story about the heads, you say that in this drawing it represents 8 times the head, having an iPad Pro I took the head and copied it 8 times, I placed them on top of each other and it doesn't match at all.
In reality, the character has 7 and a little bit.
The same goes for the length of the arms, etc.
I'm not here to criticize, just trying to really understand because I came here to learn all this.
Thank you for what you're doing.
Alors j'ai un petit soucis, je ne remets rien en cause de vos cours , ils sont top !! Et je m'Ă©clate.
Mais ça fait deja plus de 15 jours que j'ai regardé ce cours, et moi chiante que je suis j'ai eu l'idée de prendre les planches de cours pour comparé, vérifier les proportions.
Ce qui me chagrine c'est l'histoire des tĂȘtes, vous dites que sur ce dessin ça reprĂ©sente 8fois la tĂȘte , ayant un ipad pro j'ai repris la tĂȘte et je l'ai copiĂ© 8fois , je les poses les unes sur les autres et ça ne tombe pas du tout pareil .
Le personnage en a en réalité 7 et un petit peu.
Idem par rapport Ă la longueur des bras etc ..
Je ne suis pas la pour critiquer, juste j'essaye de vraiment comprendre car je suis venu ici pour justement apprendre tout ça.
Merci pour ce que vous faites
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There's no problem, your question is totally relevant ^^
Personally, and unlike Greg, I generally agree with you; I usually make characters with proportions of 7 and a half heads (when they are within standard limits), but it's a stylization.
It seems that the beauty standard indeed says 8 heads, but Greg's drawing isn't 8 heads long (why, I do not know hohoho), I guess he stylized it without even noticing (the power of habit ^^).
The head ratio can vary depending on the body type (a rather petite girl generally has a lower head ratio) and a very tall man might have a bit more (it can go up to 9 I believe). So 8 heads is indeed a good measure, but it's not set in stone, you can vary around this measurement, more or less, according to your own tastes ^^
But for me, a good average is indeed 7/8 heads. However, it's extremely rare that I count all the heads to make a complete character. Usually, I draw the torso following the given proportions (the second head = pectorals, the third = navel, the fourth = pubis). And then I adjust the legs according to what I like, it's less shocking to see legs a bit longer than the average rather than a torso longer than the average).
And if I want to check if I'm on track, I start from the ground. Normally, at 2 heads from the ground I have the knees, and about 2 heads above, I have the hips.
For the length of the arms, no matter what, the arm along the body with the hand stretched reaches between 1/2 and 3/4 of the thigh. The size of the hand is the same as the size of the face (not the head, just the face). The size of the forearm = the size of the foot, again these are the kind of measures you can easily check on yourself by observing ^^
If you have any other questions, don't hesitate at all ;p
Il n'y a pas de soucis, ta question est tout Ă fait pertinente ^^
Perso, et contrairement Ă Greg, je suis plutĂŽt de ton avis, en gĂ©nĂ©ral je fais des personnages qui ont des proportions de 7 tĂȘtes et demie en gĂ©nĂ©ral (quand ils sont dans les standards), mais c'est une stylisation.
Il me semble que le canon de beautĂ© dit effectivement 8 tĂȘtes, mais que le dessin de Greg n'en fait pas 8 (pourquoi je ne sais pas hohoho), j'imagine qu'il l'a stylisĂ© sans mĂȘme faire attention (la force de l'habitude ^^).
Le rapport de tĂȘte peut varier selon la morphologie (une fille assez petite aura un rapport de tĂȘte plus bas en gĂ©nĂ©ral) et une homme trĂšs grand en aura un peu plus (ça peut monter jusqu'Ă 9 je crois). Donc 8 tĂȘtes, c'est bien une bonne mesure, mais elle n'est pas gravĂ©e dans le marbre, tu peux varier autour de cette mesure, plus ou moins, selon tes propres goĂ»ts ^^
Mais pour moi une bonne valeur c'est effectivement 7/8 tĂȘte en moyenne. Cela dit, il est extrĂȘmement rare que je compte toutes les tĂȘtes pour faire un personnages complet. En gĂ©nĂ©ral je dessine le buste suivant les proportions donnĂ©es (la deuxiĂšme tĂȘte = pectoraux, la 3eme = nombril, la 4eme = pubis). Et ensuite j'ajuste les jambes selon ce qui me plait, c'est moins choquant de voir des jambes un peu plus longue que la moyenne plutĂŽt qu'un buste plus long que la moyenne).
Et si je veux vĂ©rifier si je suis dans les clous, je repars du sol. Normalement Ă 2 tĂȘtes du sol j'ai les genoux et environ 2 tĂȘtes au-dessus, j'ai les hanches.
Pour la longueur des bras, quoi qu'il arrive, le bras le long du corps main tendue arrive entre 1/2 et 3/4 de la cuisse. La taille de la main est la mĂȘme que la taille du visage (pas la tĂȘte, le visage uniquement). La taille de l'avant-bras = celle du pied, pareil c'est le genre de mesure que tu peux facilement vĂ©rifier chez toi en t'observant ^^
Si tu as d'autres questions n'hésite pas surtout ;p
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Thank you for the lesson, it helps to have big ideas about proportions in mind! It allows for creating cleaner silhouettes faster :)
I've put the canons on the first line, below I tried to vary the proportions by taking some features to the extreme and I tried to move the doodad with the remaining space.
VoilĂ voilĂ
Merci pour le cours, ça aide d'avoir de grandes idĂ©es de proportions en tĂȘte ! Ăa permet de faire des silhouettes plus propres plus vite :)
J'ai mis les canons sur la premiĂšre ligne, en dessous j'ai essayĂ© de varier les proportions en faisant varier certains traits Ă lâextrĂȘme et j'ai essayĂ© de faire bouger le bignou avec la place restante.
Voili voilou
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Your exercise is really neat! Watch out, you tend to place your knees a tad too low sometimes. Other than that, it looks like you've got it :D
Ton exercice est trÚs chouette ! Attention tu as tendance à placer tes genoux un poil trop bas parfois. A part ça c'est bien compris à ce que je vois :D
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I'll try to be more careful with the knees in the future!
Thanks for your correction :)
See you soon on the muscle thread, I've been struggling with attempts at flayed figures these past few days ^^
Je vais essayer de faire plus gaffe aux genoux Ă l'avenir !
Merci de ta correction :)
à bientÎt sur le thread dédié aux muscles, je suis en pleine galÚre des tentatives d'écorchés ces derniers jours ^^
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I just watched the videos on the characters, I only have the ones on muscles left to watch.
I did find some models on the internet, and my wife, being a great assistant, is willing to pose for me, but when I face a model, I don't know where to start.
Personally, as much as I can break down objects and scenes quite well, when it comes to humans, I'm completely stuck and it ends up looking like nothing.
I'm not even talking about starting from scratch to create a character in any position, it's a disaster...
Would anyone have any suggestions on how to find at least a starting point, I'm in despair...
Thanks in advance.
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Je viens de voir les vidéos sur les personnages, il ne me reste que celles des muscles à regarder.
J'ai bien trouver des modĂšles sur le net, et ma femme en formidable assistante veut bien poser pour moi, mais lorsque je me retrouve devant un modĂšle, je ne sais par oĂč commencer.
Personnellement, autant les objet, les dĂ©cors, je les dĂ©compose assez bien, autant les ĂȘtre humain, je sĂšche complet et du coup ça ressemble Ă rien.
Je ne parle mĂȘme pas de partir de 0 pour faire un personnage dans une position quelconque, c'est un massacre...
Quelqu'un aurait il une piste pour que je trouve au moins le départ, je suis en PLS...
Merci d'avance.
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Personally, I always and invariably start with the head. As you saw in the course, the head serves as a reference measure for everything else thereafter. It's rare to see an artist start with another part ^^
Then, same principle as objects, break it down into simpler shapes if you're having trouble, think about the wooden mannequins you've probably seen before, or dolls.
If it can be useful to you, I have also written two articles on drawing a man and a woman from A to Z in the blog section of the site, using quite simple shapes, explaining the proportions and doing everything step by step :) It should help you, I think ^^
Personnellement je commence toujours et invariablement par la tĂȘte. Car comme tu l'as vu dans le cours, la tĂȘte sert de mesure de rĂ©fĂ©rence pour tout le reste ensuite. C'est rare de voir un artiste commencer par un autre bout ^^
Ensuite, mĂȘme principe que les objets, dĂ©compose en formes plus simples si tu as du mal, pense aux mannequins en bois que tu as sans doute dĂ©jĂ vu, ou Ă des poupĂ©es.
Si ça peut t'ĂȘtre utile, j'ai Ă©galement fait deux articles pour dessiner de A Ă Z un homme et une femme dans la partie blog du site, en utilisant justement des formes assez simples, en expliquant les proportions et en faisant tout Ă©tape par Ă©tape :) Ăa devrait t'aider je pense ^^
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I'm also following your short Manga as soon as I manage the characters^^
I'm going to do that thank you
Je suis aussi ton court Manga des que je gĂšre les personnages^^
Je vais faire ça merci
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a few attempts at drawing. I've chosen Mr. Usain Bolt, the 100m record holder. I hope he won't be too upset...
some errors in asymmetry or width proportion...
Kisses.
quelques essai de dessins. j'ai jeté mon dévolu sur M. Usain Bolt recordman du 100m. j'espÚre qu'il ne m'en voudra pas trop...
quelques erreurs d'asymétrie ou de proportion en largeur...
Bises.
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I think it's quite good. In terms of proportions, we're doing well. However, be careful, you tend to make large rib cages and quite thin legs (the thighs in particular, if I compare to your model, are more developed because they are muscular). Also, pay attention to the drawing of the limbs, particularly the arms of the first one, which seem curved. There are bones in there, don't be deceived by the lighting that can emphasize certain curves and "hide" the real shape of the body.
But it's really very good, with practice, you can only get better :)
Je trouve ça pas mal du tout. En terme de proportions on est pas mal. Attention, tu as tendance à faire des grosses cages thoraciques et des jambes assez fines (les cuisses en particulier, si je compare à ton modÚle sont plus développées car musclées). Attention aussi au dessin des membres, je pense surtout aux bras du premier qui ont l'air courbes. Il y a des os là -dedans, ne te fais pas avoir par l'éclairage qui peut appuyer certaines courbes et "masquer" la forme réelle du corps.
Mais c'est vraiment trĂšs bien, avec de la pratique, tu ne pourras que devenir encore meilleur :)
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06/09/2020
Here's my first attempt. I didn't feel like doing more elaborate poses ^^'
Thanks in advance for the critique.
Voici mon premier essai. Je ne me sentais pas de faire des poses plus recherchées ^^'
Merci d'avance pour la critique.
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Thatâs a great first attempt! Itâs good to master the basics first, one step at a time, to avoid getting discouraged when trying to do something too complicated.
At first glance, I thought the knees were too low, but you actually have a problem with the torso being too short in both of your characters. By lengthening the torso, everything will be rebalanced. Also, you tend to make the hands a bit small, and the heads of the characters lack a bit of cranial volume. A man normally has a broader build than a woman, but youâve given them a similar build, which results in the woman having shoulders that are a bit too broad (but itâs slight, in reality some women have a somewhat broad build, but weâre comparing it to the âclassicâ model provided as teaching material), and the man having a build thatâs a bit too small. To illustrate my points, Iâve made a sketch over your drawings. Youâll see that all of these concepts will come naturally with a little practice. In any case, itâs a good start with many good qualities in the drawing; these are just minor adjustments.
Bien chouette comme premier essai ! Chaque chose en son temps, c'est bien de maßtriser d'abord les bases, puis ça évite de se décourager à vouloir faire trop compliqué ^^
Au premier abord j'ai cru que les genoux Ă©taient trop bas, mais tu as plutĂŽt un souci de buste trop court, sur tes 2 personnages. En rallongeant le buste tout se rĂ©Ă©quilibre :) Ensuite tu as tendance Ă faire les mains un peu petites et la tĂȘte des personnages manquent un petit peu de boĂźte crĂąnienne. Un homme a normalement une carrure plus large que la femme, mais tu leur a fait un peu la mĂȘme, ce qui donne des Ă©paules un peu trop larges pour la femme (mais c'est lĂ©ger, en vrai certaines femmes ont une carrure un peu large, mais on prend par rapport au modĂšle "classique" fourni en support de cours), une carrure un peu petite pour l'homme. Pour illustrer mes propos, je t'ai fait un croquis par dessus tes dessins. Tu verras, toutes ces notions viendront toutes seules avec un peu d'entraĂźnement. En tous cas c'est un bon dĂ©but avec plein de qualitĂ©s dans le dessin, ce ne sont que de petits ajustements :)
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Thank you for your feedback and advice! I tried again after receiving your message. The result is below.
Iâm wondering if the heads still arenât too smallâŠ
Thank you in advance! đ
Merci pour ta correction et pour tes conseils ! J'ai retenté le coup suite à ton message, ci-dessous le résultat.
Je me demande si les tĂȘtes ne sont pas encore trop petites...
Merci d'avance ! đ
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This is much better :) Well done! There are still a few small things to fix, but they are really just minor details. The heads are indeed slightly too small, but only by a very small amount. The pectoral muscles and breasts are slightly too high, and the woman still has a slightly short torso (you canât really tell at first glance because youâve compensated by raising her knees a bit; I compared it to the reference). Itâs good work, and I approve. I think you can move on to the next step now ^^
C'est beaucoup mieux :) Bravo ! Il reste encore des petits trucs, mais ce sont vraiment des dĂ©tails. Les tĂȘtes sont effectivement lĂ©gĂšrement trop petites, mais de vraiment pas grand chose. Les pectoraux et seins sont lĂ©gĂšrement trop hauts, et la femme a toujours un buste un poil court (ça ne se voit pas au premier coup d'oeil vu que tu as compensĂ© en montant un peu les genoux, j'ai comparĂ© au canon). C'est du bon travail et je valide, je pense que tu peux passer Ă la suite ^^
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17/09/2020
Here is my attempt. Unfortunately, there are a few proportion issues that Iâm struggling with (especially the arms and hands, at first glance).
Voici mon essai. Malheureusement il y a quelques problÚmes de proportions qui me résistent un peu (les bras et mains en particulier à premiÚre vue
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19/09/2020
There are indeed a few issues, but you didnât make your life easy by choosing to draw archery! But it will be educational ;) You seem to have studied the position well; you must have used a reference, and thatâs great. Even professionals use references for poses they arenât familiar with; it doesnât just come naturally ;) What bothers me most is the arrow, which isnât straight. It should divide the bow into two equal angles; otherwise, it wonât look very good, I think. It seems that itâs the bow that changes position if you want to shoot at a different angle, but the arrow always remains in the same position relative to the bow. Perhaps her arm isnât bent quite enough to make it easier.
Regarding the proportions, I think the torso is a bit too long and the legs are much too short. As a result, the arms seem very long; they are, in fact, still a little long even with the legs lengthened, which is accentuated by the slightly small hands. She also needs a bit more width in the torso. Weâre not quite at the lesson on the face yet, but itâs a little too far back compared to the neck. Iâve made a sketch to show you all of this, one with details overlaid on your drawing that donât completely obscure it so itâs understandable, and another sketch that Iâve done completely, which is reconstructed to show you what it would look like with all the modifications (with more body width, changed arm position, etc.), all compared with the dimensions of the proportion model provided as course material. I hope youâll understand it all this way. In any case, you have a good basic foundation, and with a few adjustments, it can be very good :)
Il y a effectivement quelques soucis, mais tu ne t'es pas facilitĂ© a vie en choisissant de dessiner du tir Ă l'arc ^^ Mais ça sera instructif ;) Tu sembles avoir bien Ă©tudiĂ© la position, tu as sĂ»rement pris une rĂ©fĂ©rence, et c'est trĂšs bien, mĂȘme les professionnels prennent des rĂ©fĂ©rences pour les poses avec lesquelles ils ne sont pas familiers, ça ne vient pas par magie ;) Ce qui me dĂ©range c'est surtout sa flĂšche qui n'est pas droite, elle devrait sĂ©parer l'arc en 2 angles Ă©gaux, elle ne va pas trĂšs bien s'en sortir je pense sinon. Il me semble que c'est l'arc qui change de position si on veut tirer dans un autre angle, mais que la flĂšche reste toujours positionnĂ©e pareil par rapport Ă l'arc ^^ Peut ĂȘtre que son bras n'est pas tout Ă fait assez pliĂ© pour que ce soit plus simple.
Pour les proportions, je pense que le buste est un peu long et les jambes beaucoup trop petites, du coup forcĂ©ment, les bras paraissent trĂšs longs, ils le sont d'ailleurs toujours un peu mĂȘme avec les jambes rallongĂ©es, accentuĂ©s par des mains un peu petites. Elle a aussi besoin d'un peu plus de largeur de buste. On n'en est pas encore Ă la leçon du visage mais il est un peu trop en arriĂšre par rapport au cou. J'ai fait un croquis pour te montrer tout ça, un avec des dĂ©tails par dessus ton dessin qui ne le cachent pas trop pour que ce soit comprĂ©hensible, et un autre croquis que j'ai fait complĂštement qui est reconstruit pour te montrer ce que ça donnerait avec toutes les modifications (avec plus de largeur de corps, position de bras changĂ©e...), le tout comparĂ© avec les dimensions du modĂšle de proportions fourni en support de cours. J'espĂšre que tu comprendras bien comme ça ^^ En tous cas tu as un bon travail de base, avec des petits ajustements ça pourra ĂȘtre trĂšs bien :)
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20/09/2020
Indeed, it wasnât the easiest thing to do, but it inspired me. I did it myself, which gave me a pretty good idea of the overall pose, but the arms were complicated (itâs hard to see yourself ^^), so I did look for a reference. It was very helpful, but not quite right for my drawing, as you noticed.
Thank you very much for these corrections and the sketch; it gives me a better idea of the whole thing (much more consistent ^-^). I will pay attention to all of this so that it will be more realistic next time, but I am happy if I am already getting a little closer.
Have a good day.
En effet ce nâĂ©tait pas le plus simple mais ca mâinspirait, jâen fais moi-mĂȘme ce qui me donnait une assez bonne idĂ©e de la position gĂ©nĂ©rale mais pour les bras ça câest compliquĂ© (difficile de se voir soi-mĂȘme ^^) donc jâai cherchĂ© une rĂ©fĂ©rence en effet. Bien utile mais pas pour ma flĂšche comme vous lâavez remarquĂ©.
Merci beaucoup pour ces corrections et le croquis, ca me donne une meilleure idĂ©e du tout ainsi (beaucoup plus cohĂ©rente ^-^). Je vais faire attention Ă tout ça pour que ce soit plus rĂ©aliste les prochaines fois, mais je suis contente si je mâen rapproche dĂ©jĂ un peu.
Bonne journée
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21/09/2020
Itâs great that youâre following your inspiration; it helps you stay motivated :) Keep up this habit of looking for references; itâs a good way to understand how things work.
Iâm glad that my feedback helped you :) Yes, itâs a good start, and as Iâve often heard and keep as a motto, âfinished is better than perfect.â Instead of putting too much pressure on yourself from the start and getting frustrated trying to perfect a drawing, itâs good to move on to another drawing to try and improve with each new attempt. If itâs not exactly as you want it from the start, it will be better next time. It seems like youâre on the right track ;)
TrÚs bien de suivre ton inspiration, ça permet de garder la motivation :) Garde cette habitude d'aller chercher des références, c'est une bonne chose pour comprendre comment les choses fonctionnent?
Contente que ma correction t'ai aidée :) Oui c'est un bon début, et comme j'ai pu entendre dire et je garde comme devise "fini est mieux que parfait". PlutÎt que de se mettre trop de pression dÚs le départ et se frustrer à lutter sur un dessin c'est bien de passer à un autre dessin pour tenter de progresser à chaque nouvelle tentative. Si c'est pas tout à fait comme on veut dÚs le départ, ça sera mieux la prochaine fois. Tu sembles donc dans la bonne approche ;)
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This is pretty good, youâre not far off! For the woman, the main problem is that her arms are too short. You didnât make her body very wide, but thatâs okay, she can have that body type. Iâve sketched something on top of your drawing; I made the arms a little shorter than the model because, since yours isnât wide, making them the same length would give her the impression of having arms that are too long. In any case, they still needed to be lengthened a bit. ^^
For the man, you can see with the line I drew in the center that heâs leaning to one side. Before you start a drawing, you can create some reference points like this to avoid making your drawing lean or go in the wrong direction. The head is a bit small, and heâs a little too wide in the shoulders and chest. But thatâs good! For the child, you need to know that the upper body should be much less wide than for a man; the chest and shoulders develop during puberty, so you need to make it a little less wide. There, Iâve added some notes and reference points to the drawings. Donât hesitate if you have any questions!
C'est pas mal tout ça, tu n'es pas loin :) Pour la femme le principal problĂšme sont les bras trop courts. Tu n'as pas fait son corps trĂšs large, on se dit pourquoi pas, elle peut avoir cette morphologie. Je t'ai gribouillĂ© un truc par dessus ton dessin, j'ai fait les bras un poil plus courts que le modĂšle car vu que la tienne n'est pas large ça lui faisait un effet de bras trop longs si je faisais pareil. En tous cas il fallait quand mĂȘme les rallonger ^^
Pour l'homme, tu peux remarquer avec la ligne que je t'ai faite en centre qu'il penche sur le cĂŽtĂ©, avant de commencer un dessin tu peux te faire des repĂšres comme ça pour Ă©viter de faire pencher ton dessin ou qu'il aille dans la mauvaise direction. La tĂȘte est un peu petite, et il est un peu trop large des Ă©paules et pectoraux. Mais c'est bien ;) Pour l'enfant, il faut savoir que le haut du corps doit ĂȘtre beaucoup moins large que pour un homme, les pecs et les Ă©paules ça se dĂ©veloppe Ă la pubertĂ©, donc il faut penser Ă faire un peu moins large. VoilĂ , je t'ai fait des annotations et repĂšres sur les dessins, n'hĂ©sites pas si tu as des questions :)
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